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 Posted: Aug 3 2014, 03:18 PM
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It seems that CERN will not be in the SL7 boat.

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CERN Community ENTerprise Operating System 7 is the upstream CentOS 7, built to integrate into the CERN computing environment but it is not a site-specific product: all CERN site customizations are optional and can be deactivated for external users.


http://linux.web.cern.ch/linux/centos7/

Also interesting:

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CERN CentOS 7 includes the 'yum-autoupdate' system (same as on SLC5/6).


Somewhat disappointing that Fermi and CERN are no longer using the same distribution, although there are lot of similarities unsure.gif
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 Posted: Aug 4 2014, 07:14 AM
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QUOTE (evert @ Aug 3 2014, 03:18 PM)
It seems that CERN will not be in the SL7 boat.

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CERN Community ENTerprise Operating System 7 is the upstream CentOS 7, built to integrate into the CERN computing environment but it is not a site-specific product: all CERN site customizations are optional and can be deactivated for external users.


http://linux.web.cern.ch/linux/centos7/

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CERN CentOS 7 includes the 'yum-autoupdate' system (same as on SLC5/6).


Somewhat disappointing that Fermi and CERN are no longer using the same distribution, although there are lot of similarities unsure.gif


Hmmmh,
well ... i suppose this is not the best news, when the efforts gonna be split. On the other hand Unix and Linux distributions keep changing all the time.

I hope we keep SL going, particularly with the news that CentOS and RHEL got to be tied up closely now.
Call it conspiration theory, but i'm a bit worried that RH wants to shut the clones down.

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 Posted: Aug 4 2014, 10:07 AM
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The breakup was already discussed here.
And yes, it is sorry to see that CERN will be going its own way starting with EL7 sad.gif

As for Red Hat, I think they try to prevent Oracle to take any of their money with their clone.
CentOS was a serious clone regarding the userbase, that made it logical to include them.
Red Hat is little worried by "little" clones like SL and Puias. But we will see what will happen ...

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 Posted: Aug 5 2014, 08:03 AM
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I bookmarked on 20140513
http://linux.web.cern.ch/linux/nextversion.shtml
" Next Linux version @ CERN"
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Scientific Linux @ CERN: Next Version

On January 7, Red Hat and CentOS announced that they joined forces (centos.org).

Since Scientific Linux relies on Red Hat Enterprise Linux source code, this is of great interest to the Scientific Linux project. We have been learning more about their plans and considering the possibilities for Scientific Linux.

We've had conversations with CentOS and Red Hat, and between Fermilab and CERN. We plan further discussions with these groups and also with other contributors to and users of Scientific Linux. No final decisions have been made, but we can provide an update on our thoughts so far.

Fermilab and CERN remain committed to the original goal of Scientific Linux: providing a stable, well-supported, open-source platform which meets the needs of high-energy physics experiments. The fact that this platform is used by people outside of that community is something we appreciate and will be a factor in any decisions going forward.

There are still many questions to pursue as the details of CentOS Special Interest Groups continue to evolve. The anticipated release of Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 presents an opportunity to consider forming/joining a CentOS Special Interest Group (centos.org/about/governance/sigs/) and producing Scientific Linux 7 as a CentOS variant (centos.org/variants/). The variant structure may allow greater flexibility in adapting the distribution to scientific needs. The framework and relationship structure of CentOS Special Interest Groups is still under heavy discussion on the CentOS development list. This is only being evaluated for Scientific Linux version 7. {emphasis mine}

Security and other updates for the current Scientific Linux versions 5 and 6 will continue uninterrupted. We expect the process for SL 5 and 6 support to remain essentially the same, with the only substantive change being that source code will come from centos.org rather than redhat.com. We expect this change to be transparent to all users.

There will be many more details to fill in, and we'll try to keep everyone in the Scientific Linux community informed as we continue to explore the options the Red Hat / CentOS partnership presents.

Linux.Support@cern.ch

Which indicated that the decision was not finalized.
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The post refered to by redman "SL 7.0 x86_64 ALPHA/BETA feedback"
had this info from one of the dev. at FermiLAB :
QUOTE (redman @ Jul 4 2014, 05:48 AM)
Pat Riehecky posted that SL7 Alpha is ready to be tested (here).
...snip...
QUOTE (patriehecky @ Jul 3 2014, 11:24 PM)
Fermilab's intention is to continue the development and support of Scientific Linux and refine its focus as an operating system for scientific computing. Today we are announcing an alpha release of Scientific Linux 7.  We continue to develop a stable process for generating and distributing Scientific Linux, with the intent that Scientific Linux remains the same high quality operating system the community has come to expect.
...snip...

Which was explicitly only mentioning FermiLAB , not CERN.
I have not watched CERN - SL news closely , so the O.P's quote is news to me --
from : http://linux.web.cern.ch/linux/centos7/
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What is CERN CentOS 7 (CC7) ?

CERN Community ENTerprise Operating System 7 is the upstream CentOS 7, built to integrate into the CERN computing environment but it is not a site-specific product: all CERN site customizations are optional and can be deactivated for external users.
What happened to Scientific Linux CERN (SLC) ?
As described at Next Linux version @ CERN the next major Linux release at CERN will be based on CentOS Linux.

Scientific Linux CERN 6 and Scientific Linux CERN 5 will remain as current production releases.
When will CERN CentOS 7 be available ?
Following Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7 release CentOS Core SIG released CentOS 7 on 7th of July 2014

A prerelease test CC7 version is available as of 17.07.2014 04.08.2014.

Please note: the prerelease test status concerns only CERN customizations / addons. The CentOS 7 itself is a stable production release.

So, this is news -- they did make the actual decision to 'piggy - back' on CentOS.
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PUIAS (Springdale) 7 from Princton University was also mentioned in that topic.
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By The Way (btw) for those who may have missed it --
SL 7 alpha 2 is out (per that same topic) http://scientificlinuxforum.org/index.php?showtopic=2839&view=findpost&p=18146
here (including a single DVD this time , as well as a dual layer):
http://ftp.scientificlinux.org/linux/scientific/7rolling/x86_64/iso/

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 Posted: Aug 6 2014, 04:47 PM
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QUOTE (+X^N @ Aug 5 2014, 09:03 AM)

So, this is news -- they did make the actual decision to 'piggy - back' on CentOS.


Exactly, that is also why I opened this new topic. Sad, but it is the way it is.

As for the future, it would be great if SL can make use of CentOS repositories when we need additional packages.
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 Posted: Aug 7 2014, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE (evert @ Aug 6 2014, 06:47 PM)
As for the future, it would be great if SL can make use of CentOS repositories when we need additional packages.

That is something you can configure yourself of course
I seriously doubt that SL will do that for you.

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 Posted: Aug 7 2014, 04:34 PM
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QUOTE (redman @ Aug 7 2014, 12:44 PM)
QUOTE (evert @ Aug 6 2014, 06:47 PM)
As for the future, it would be great if SL can make use of CentOS repositories when we need additional packages.

That is something you can configure yourself of course
I seriously doubt that SL will do that for you.

Makes sense. But now that SL7 is still in testing, changes can be made (or not be made) that increase or decrease the differences between SL and the others. Less differences makes it easier. E.g., consider the "yum-autoupdate" system.
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