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U308
 Posted: Oct 10 2011, 10:52 AM
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Hi tux99,
Please ignore my previous comments - all's well with both packages AFTER the commands.

All revealed by clicking on limage link ... animated gif.

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 Posted: Oct 10 2011, 11:10 AM
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QUOTE (U308 @ Oct 10 2011, 11:52 AM)
Hi tux99,
Please ignore my previous comments - all's well with both packages AFTER the commands.

Ok great, thanks I'm fixing the seamonkey rpm package so that it works correctly by default in future.

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QUOTE (tux99 @ Oct 10 2011, 01:10 PM)

Ok great, thanks I'm fixing the seamonkey rpm package so that it works correctly by default in future.

Firefox 6.0x running in Kubuntu 11.04 guest (vbox) has the same problem. However, as already mentioned, Seamonkey 2.0.13 which comes packaged with Kubuntu 11.04, finds the plugin. So in that setup the tables are turned. laugh.gif
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 Posted: Oct 11 2011, 04:00 AM
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A new version of the Seamonkey package for SL6 ( seamonkey-2.4.1-1.el6.x86_64.rpm ) is now available in my release repo.

Changes from the previous package version:
- the seamonkey startup script now checks for nspluginwrapper and adjusts plugin paths accordingly
- updated to 2.4.1 upstream sources

As mentioned earlier the switch from 2.4 to 2.4.1 doesn't really change anything of relevance, but I thought since I had to make a new package for the plugin issue anyway, I might as well base it on the latest available upstream release.

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QUOTE (tux99 @ Oct 11 2011, 06:00 AM)
A new version of the Seamonkey package for SL6 ( seamonkey-2.4.1-1.el6.x86_64.rpm ) is now available in my release repo.

Changes from the previous package version:
- the seamonkey startup script now checks for nspluginwrapper and adjusts plugin paths accordingly
- updated to 2.4.1 upstream sources

As mentioned earlier the switch from 2.4 to 2.4.1 doesn't really change anything of relevance, but I thought since I had to make a new package for the plugin issue anyway, I might as well base it on the latest available upstream release.


Very fast build and appreciated. Thanks !
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QUOTE (U308 @ Oct 11 2011, 09:47 AM)
Very fast build and appreciated. Thanks !

Thanks for your help in reporting and debugging the issue!

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Learning from the pros. smile.gif

Now to round things off, may I request you visit http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/ to see
1) whether the quicktime trailers play at all, and
2) if they do play which plugin is loaded by SM.
That's all I would like to know.

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QUOTE (U308 @ Oct 11 2011, 01:08 PM)
Learning from the pros.  smile.gif

Now to round things off, may I request you visit http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/ to see
1) whether the quicktime trailers play at all, and
2) if they do play which plugin is loaded by SM.
That's all I would like to know.


Currently I only have the flash plugin installed so quicktime trailers obviously don't work (neither with firefox nor with seamonkey), I'm not sure which plugin is meant to be used for quicktime streaming, I can't see any in the SL repo, I will have to look into it.

Bear in mind that I only use packages from the official SL repos and from my own repo, so if it's not in the SL repo then I have to package it up first.

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QUOTE (tux99 @ Oct 11 2011, 03:16 PM)

Currently I only have the flash plugin installed so quicktime trailers obviously don't work, I'm not sure which plugin is meant to be used for quicktime streaming, I can't see any in the SL repo, I will have to look into it.

Bear in mind that I only use packages from the official SL repos and from my own repo, so if it's not in the SL repo then I have to package it up first.


Right clicking in the player>about, shows that totem browser plugin is used with Firefox 3.6x
(totem-mozplugin fr. sl repo), and you would need gstreamer packages installed.

Anyway not to worry, that site is known to throw linux users. Even in Ubuntu, depending on which distro version, it can be a problem. Firefox 3.6x seems to consistently be OK. With Opera it's touch and go. There is also the gecko-mediaplayer which uses mplayer and sometimes works, but that is not your cup of tea as it appears to only be available from atrpms.
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QUOTE (U308 @ Oct 11 2011, 02:50 PM)
Right clicking in the player>about, shows that totem browser plugin is used with Firefox 3.6x
(totem-mozplugin fr. sl repo), and you would need gstreamer packages installed.


Ok, I have gstreamer in my repo (the full version with quicktime support, not the crippled one that RHEL/SL has) so adding the totem based plugin package shouldn't be a big problem. It's something I would have done eventually anyway.

I might be able to build the package and check out that apple trailer issue in the next few days (maybe on the weekend).

In the meantime can you compare in both Firefox and SM on SL6 when you open the about:plugins page that they now have exactly the same plugins listed? If there are any differences please let me know.

Edit: I just realized totem-mozplugin is in the SL repo already like you also said (note to myself: need to read posts with more concentration smile.gif ), so I can do some testing straight away, no need to package anything.

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Hmm, I now have totem-mozplugin installed and about:plugins shows it:
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QuickTime Plug-in 7.2.0

   File: libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so
   Version:
   The Totem 2.28.6 plugin handles video and audio streams.

MIME Type  Description  Suffixes  Enabled
video/quicktime  QuickTime video  mov  Yes
video/mp4  MPEG-4 video  mp4  Yes
image/x-macpaint  MacPaint Bitmap image  pntg  Yes
image/x-quicktime  Macintosh Quickdraw/PICT drawing  pict, pict1, pict2  Yes
video/x-m4v  MPEG-4 video  m4v  Yes


But http://trailers.apple.com/ still presents me with a pop-up asking me to download QuickTime when I try to watch a trailer.

And this is with Firefox 3.6.23 in SL6, are you sure it works for you in Firefox?! smile.gif

The same happens in SM 2.4.1.

But the following QT test page works fine for me with both SM 2.4.1 and Firefox 3.6.23 on SL6:
http://mac.sillydog.org/qt/mov/embed_s3.php

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 Posted: Oct 11 2011, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE (tux99 @ Oct 11 2011, 05:19 PM)
Hmm, I now have totem-mozplugin installed and about:plugins shows it:
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QuickTime Plug-in 7.2.0

   File: libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so
   Version:
   The Totem 2.28.6 plugin handles video and audio streams.

MIME Type  Description  Suffixes  Enabled
video/quicktime  QuickTime video  mov  Yes
video/mp4  MPEG-4 video  mp4  Yes
image/x-macpaint  MacPaint Bitmap image  pntg  Yes
image/x-quicktime  Macintosh Quickdraw/PICT drawing  pict, pict1, pict2  Yes
video/x-m4v  MPEG-4 video  m4v  Yes


But http://trailers.apple.com/ still presents me with a pop-up asking me to download QuickTime when I try to watch a trailer.

And this is with Firefox 3.6.23 in SL6, are you sure it works for you in Firefox?! smile.gif

The same happens in SM 2.4.1.

But the following QT test page works fine for me with both SM 2.4.1 and Firefox 3.6.23 on SL6:
http://mac.sillydog.org/qt/mov/embed_s3.php


The trailers work perfectly with Firefox 3.6.23. The plugins for both SM&FF are identical. I have marked them OK* so that I wouldn't miss one. http://sharetext.org/BRTP
Maybe just try the VLC plugin as well. atrpms is out of bounds otherwise you could additionally install the gecko mediaplayer which pulls in gnome mplayer as well.

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 Posted: Oct 11 2011, 04:25 PM
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I do have the whole set of Totem plugins installed, that includes the VLC Multimedia Plugin (libtotem-cone-plugin.so), they all come in the same package anyway.

Can you compare the Edit>Preferences>Applications configuration in Firefox with Edit>Preferences>Browser>Helper Applications in SM to check that the Action for each Content Type (particularly MP4 and QT video) is configured to use the same plugins on both browsers or are there differences?

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QUOTE (tux99 @ Oct 11 2011, 06:25 PM)

Can you compare the Edit>Preferences>Applications configuration in Firefox with Edit>Preferences>Browser>Helper Applications in SM to check that the Action for each Content Type (particularly MP4 and QT video) is configured to use the same plugins on both browsers or are there differences?

Yes, there are differences that I noticed before. http://scientificlinuxforum.org/index.php?showtopic=651&view=findpost&p=7520

Firefox
MPEG-4 video = Use VLCMultimedia Plugin(in Firefox)
Quicktime video= Ditto
SM
MPEG-4 video = Use Quicktime Plugin 7.20 (in SM)
Quicktime video = Ditto

SM is picking up the plugin installed by the gecko mediaplayer package and I can't seem
to change to other plugins as explained in the above post I linked to. What a nuisance.
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It seems to me that your problem is due to the different overlapping plugins you have installed.

I noticed they each present slightly differing mime types to the remote web site (I'm testing this on a Mandriva box where I have both the totem and the mplayer plugins installed). For example:
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QuickTime Plug-in 7.4.5
mplayerplug-in 3.55
Filename: mplayerplug-in-qt.so
MIME Type  Description  Suffixes
video/quicktime  Quicktime   mov
video/x-quicktime  Quicktime   mov
image/x-quicktime  Quicktime   mov
video/quicktime  Quicktime   mp4
video/quicktime  Quicktime - Session Description Protocol  sdp
application/x-quicktimeplayer  Quicktime  mov
application/smil  SMIL   smil

QuickTime Plug-in 7.2.0
The Totem 2.22.0 plugin handles video and audio streams.
Filename: libtotem-narrowspace-plugin-gstreamer.so
MIME  TypeDescription  Suffixes
video/quicktime  QuickTime video  mov
video/mp4  MPEG-4 video  mp4
image/x-macpaint  MacPaint Bitmap image  pntg
image/x-quicktime  QuickTime image  pict, pict1, pict2
video/x-m4v  MPEG-4 video  m4v
(this is still from my Mandriva box but it should be similar on any Linux distro including SL6)

The following web page shows you the exact mime-types each plugin presents to web sites, claiming of being capable of handling: http://browserspy.dk/plugins.php?detail=1 I have made an easier to read variant of that page here: http://www.linuxtech.net/utils/plugins.html

Now as far as I can see the apple web site doesn't like the totem plugin mime-types (even though totem is capable of playing back the trailers), so either the libvlcplugin.so or the gecko-mediaplayer-qt.so plugins are the ones keeping the apple web site happy.

What seems to make all the difference is the order in which the mime-types of the different plugins are presented to the web sites.

Therefore I think you need to try selectively disabling quicktime/mov/mp4 related plugins in Seamonkey in the Tools>Add-ons Manager until you hit the combination that makes the apple web site happy. I would start by trying to disable the totem based plugins.

Having more than one plugin for the same mime-type active doesn't make sense anyway, only one will be in use anyway.

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 Posted: Oct 12 2011, 08:58 AM
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Really nice what you have done http://www.linuxtech.net/utils/plugins.html
Right combo of active plugins not yet found, maybe i'll get lucky sometime.
Would be a bonus but really low on my list of priorities - the time/reward
relationship is hardly worth it bearing in mind that I merely visit that site
out of curiosity to see if the trailers will actually play.
I will advise whenever I hit the jackpot. wink.gif
Thanks again for your guidelines and the useful link.
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QUOTE (U308 @ Oct 12 2011, 09:58 AM)
Really nice what you have done http://www.linuxtech.net/utils/plugins.html
Like I said, I didn't write it from scratch, I just looked at the source code of that page on browserspy.dk and made a simplified version of it, that's all. The original idea is from browserspy.dk. wink.gif

I'm fairly confident that gecko-mediaplayer plugin is all that's needed, you should disable the totem plugins.

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U308
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Oh boy ! Some crashes with the 2.4.1-1 version. Usually occur shortly after starting SM and opening a
bookmark. Within a few seconds of displaying the page SM quietly closes down and also no message window offering to restore appears when starting SM again.
Happens randomly.

Furthermore try closing and then starting SM again. With me there is a message window saying that SM is still running and to either close SM or end the process.
I have in the meantime reverted to the previous version where none of this occurs, it is good and stable.

Sorry to be the bearer of not so good news - maybe you don't have those issues but I thought I'd mention them.
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QUOTE (U308 @ Oct 12 2011, 04:20 PM)
Oh boy ! Some crashes with the 2.4.1-1 version. Usually occur shortly after starting SM and opening a
bookmark. Within a few seconds of displaying the page SM quietly closes down and also no message window offering to restore appears when starting SM again.
Happens randomly.


Hmm, no crashes here, I'm afraid I can't do much about that as I'm not a programmer, only a packager and I have built 2.4.1 exactly the same way as 2.4, so I would assume the crashes are caused by the code changes between 2.4 and 2.4.1 (they allegedly fixed some bugs related to the updater with add-ons, since this was an emergency fix it could well be that it introduced regressions).

But this is exactly why I keep all previous versions of packages in my repo (many other repos only keep the newest package), to allow reverting an upgrade in case of problems.

You could try posting this on the seamonkey usenet group, anyone can post to it: news://news.mozilla.org:119/mozilla.support.seamonkey (it's handy that seamonkey includes a news reader! smile.gif )

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QUOTE (tux99 @ Oct 12 2011, 11:10 AM)

I'm fairly confident that gecko-mediaplayer plugin is all that's needed, you should disable the totem plugins.


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Just for info. It's not as smooth as the totem plugin that Firefox uses. This clip played perfectly, other clips
just get stuck on 'Loading' and don't play at all. OK, can close discussion of Qtime trailers now. mellow.gif
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http://www.browserscope.org/?security_results=124d4be6fb5c84e0eb9f472debb58960&js_ua=Mozilla/5.0

I got a very good score of 14/17 for the security test. biggrin.gif for Seamonkey
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Seamonkey version 2.5 is out. http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.5/changes#new

I will allow tux99, 10 days leeway for packaging. tongue.gif Looking forward. smile.gif
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QUOTE (U308 @ Nov 23 2011, 09:41 AM)
Seamonkey version 2.5 is out.  http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.5/changes#new

I will allow tux99, 10 days leeway for packaging.  tongue.gif  Looking forward.  smile.gif


That's generous, smile.gif I should manage to do it this weekend (maybe earlier).

Meanwhile for anyone who can't wait or prefers building packages him/herself, just use my spec-file, update the version to 2.5, download the source code from mozilla.org and launch 'rpmbuild -bb seamonkey.spec' (ok you will have to set up a rpm build environment first but that that only takes a few minutes).

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Seamonkey 2.5 (equivalent to Firefox 8.0.1) is now available as x86_64 RPM for SL6 (and other RHEL 6 compatible distros) in my testing repo.

Please note this RPM is straight off my built server, I haven't tested it yet at all, but of course I will test it this weekend and, if it works fine as expected, move to the release repo.

If you test it please provide feedback (both positive and negative).

I'm also planning to do a 32 bit RPM in the next few days.

See link below for my repo.

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Thanks, I'll have a look at it ASAP.
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