
This forum is proudly powered by Scientific Linux 6 | SL website Download SL Help Search Members |
Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register ) | Resend Validation Email |
![]() ![]() ![]() |
evert |
Posted: Jan 8 2014, 02:19 AM
|
|||
![]() SLF Rookie ![]() Group: Members Posts: 21 Member No.: 2836 Joined: 2-December 13 ![]() |
Pretty big news:
http://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-announce/2014-January/020100.html One interesting piece:
Although much will stay the same, CentOS will have more direct access to Red Hat resources. For SL, this does not change that much, I guess. But with this change, I would propose to think about taking CentOS as a base for SL, and build upon CentOS directly, instead of building only on the RHEL sources. SL could still offer stuff like artwork and some additions on top of CentOS. Just my 2c though. |
|||
hadrons123 |
Posted: Jan 8 2014, 05:28 AM
|
|
SLF Junior ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 40 Member No.: 1546 Joined: 18-May 12 ![]() |
SL basing on centOS would only delay SL and I don't see any direct benefits.
|
|
Viper550 |
Posted: Jan 8 2014, 06:29 AM
|
|
SLF Junior ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 29 Member No.: 129 Joined: 6-May 11 ![]() |
The only way to really "purchase" an open source project is to
1. Hire all its major contributors 2. Acquire rights to its trademarks. They've done both. |
|
joutlan |
Posted: Jan 8 2014, 09:56 AM
|
|
![]() SLF Inceptor ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admins Posts: 877 Member No.: 1 Joined: 8-April 11 ![]() |
I've been following this on the SL Mail List also. Some think that RH wants to make sure that CentOS is not 'quite' the same as RHEL.
-------------------- DΞLL Precision M6700: 17 inch NB//i7-quad w/USB 3.0, 16.0GB, Quadro K5000M 2.0GB DDR3, RGBLED //W8P64/Scientific Linux 6.4 x64
DΞLL Vostro 3350 Nirvana: 13 inch NB w/ IntelSSD// W8Px64 (Work;Games) Nexus 4 //Android |
|
evert |
Posted: Jan 8 2014, 11:38 AM
|
|
![]() SLF Rookie ![]() Group: Members Posts: 21 Member No.: 2836 Joined: 2-December 13 ![]() |
@hadrons123: yes, but if centos can use the infra of RH, then they can have quick (security) updates and so on. it would be a waste not to make use of that. on the other hand, some independence is also important.
@joutlan: nobody knows for now, but if they change centos too much compared to RHEL, than SL will see an increased user base and after their investment into centos i guess that's not what they are after. the future will teach us. anyhow, SL now has better artwork, a few very handy changes, AND more independence ![]() |
|
tux99 |
Posted: Jan 8 2014, 06:13 PM
|
|
![]() SLF Moderator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 1278 Member No.: 224 Joined: 28-May 11 ![]() |
I'm not sure what this will mean for the future of CentOS, I'll have to read up more about this change and see how things develop before deciding whether this is a good development or not.
I don't think this should make any difference for SL and the way it's developed, IMHO SL should continue to base itself on the original RHEL source rpms as they have always done. What could happen is that some CentOS users might move over to SL if this change will affect CentOS negatively in some way, so this might increase the popularity of SL. Anyway, it's great that CentOS is not the only RHEL clone so that there is always alternatives in case CentOS starts going downhill. -------------------- My personal SL6 repository, specialized in audio/video software: http://pkgrepo.linuxtech.net/el6/
(can be used together with EPEL and ELRepo repositories) - repository mirror: http://linuxsoft.cern.ch/linuxtech/el6/ |
|
+X^N |
Posted: Jan 8 2014, 09:03 PM
|
|||||
![]() SLF Member ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 130 Member No.: 2581 Joined: 27-June 13 ![]() |
From R.H. press release : RALEIGH, N.C. – January 7, 2014 http://www.redhat.com/about/news/press-archive/2014/1/red-hat-and-centos-join-forces
from the FAQ in that press_release : http://community.redhat.com/centos-faq/ ... a lot of good info. ...
'enjoy' -------------------- DELL Precision 470 Workstation Xeon 3.2GHz (x2) , 2GB ECC ram ;
DELL UltraSharp 2007WFPb (L) ips monitor Dual boot :1st installed: WinXPPro & then SL6.4 x86_64 - via 2 'everything' DVD s { GRUB going into the SL6.4 partition } ; Updated to 6.5 via DVD s & Steelcase vintage / old-school stenographers seat (made in Grand Rapids , MI , USA) |
|||||
tux99 |
Posted: Jan 8 2014, 10:17 PM
|
|||||
![]() SLF Moderator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Moderators Posts: 1278 Member No.: 224 Joined: 28-May 11 ![]() |
From the FAQ on redhat.com: http://community.redhat.com/centos-faq/
This is either plain FUD (it's sad to see Redhat adopt FUD as a marketing strategy just like every other evil corporation does) or it's a sign for things to come. Fact is the Centos devs have so far been extraordinarily dedicated and successful in making sure that the Centos binaries are identical with the RHEL binaries and this is one of the primary reasons for Centos popularity.
And this is clearly what Redhat's wish is for what Centos should become, but it's not the current reality. The current reality is that Centos provides a stable enterprise platform with a focus on security, reliability, and performance just like RHEL and it has become so popular due to it being reliably 100% compatible with RHEL that it has been affecting adoption of RHEL by businesses (I know of cases myself where fairly large businesses chose Centos over RHEL since they found it's less expensive to hire some Centos experts than to pay for RHEL support for hundreds of servers) . So to me it looks like Redhat 'bought' Centos in order to change Centos into something that doesn't directly affect their revenues anymore. ![]() -------------------- My personal SL6 repository, specialized in audio/video software: http://pkgrepo.linuxtech.net/el6/
(can be used together with EPEL and ELRepo repositories) - repository mirror: http://linuxsoft.cern.ch/linuxtech/el6/ |
|||||
redman |
Posted: Jan 9 2014, 07:06 AM
|
|||
![]() Retired SLF Administrator ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admins Posts: 1276 Member No.: 2 Joined: 8-April 11 ![]() |
Well ... I do not want to start a war here, but I do not completely agree with this. Development is not done by the community like Fedora but by a small closed group. And the only support is that there is comes from their forums. And given the rumours we hear on how things go on their forums, the word "strong" should be taken differently. But, having said that, I congratulate the CentOS team on the good news. There is a saying, if you can't beat them, ![]() -------------------- "Sometimes the best helping hand you can give is a good, firm push."
|
|||
joutlan |
Posted: Jan 11 2014, 12:00 AM
|
|||
![]() SLF Inceptor ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admins Posts: 877 Member No.: 1 Joined: 8-April 11 ![]() |
snip////
This makes the most sense to me, Tux. -------------------- DΞLL Precision M6700: 17 inch NB//i7-quad w/USB 3.0, 16.0GB, Quadro K5000M 2.0GB DDR3, RGBLED //W8P64/Scientific Linux 6.4 x64
DΞLL Vostro 3350 Nirvana: 13 inch NB w/ IntelSSD// W8Px64 (Work;Games) Nexus 4 //Android |
|||
joutlan |
Posted: Jan 13 2014, 08:08 PM
|
|
![]() SLF Inceptor ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admins Posts: 877 Member No.: 1 Joined: 8-April 11 ![]() |
Also, they'll have a hard time "buying up" SL as the programmers are FERMI LAB employees...(Govt Owned)
-------------------- DΞLL Precision M6700: 17 inch NB//i7-quad w/USB 3.0, 16.0GB, Quadro K5000M 2.0GB DDR3, RGBLED //W8P64/Scientific Linux 6.4 x64
DΞLL Vostro 3350 Nirvana: 13 inch NB w/ IntelSSD// W8Px64 (Work;Games) Nexus 4 //Android |
|
John Cuppi |
Posted: Jan 14 2014, 03:58 AM
|
|||||
![]() SLF Admin Team ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admins Posts: 144 Member No.: 15 Joined: 10-April 11 ![]() |
I saw the same thing you did and came to similar conclusions... we'll just have to see.
Correct, although if you remember Dawson was hired by Red Hat and he left his job with Fermi Lab. Not sure if they made him a job offer or he applied, but still. |
|||||
joutlan |
Posted: Jan 14 2014, 08:25 PM
|
|
![]() SLF Inceptor ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admins Posts: 877 Member No.: 1 Joined: 8-April 11 ![]() |
JC, I think Troy was brainwashed by FERMI prior to leaving. Troy, if you're reading this old buddy, j/k !!
![]() -------------------- DΞLL Precision M6700: 17 inch NB//i7-quad w/USB 3.0, 16.0GB, Quadro K5000M 2.0GB DDR3, RGBLED //W8P64/Scientific Linux 6.4 x64
DΞLL Vostro 3350 Nirvana: 13 inch NB w/ IntelSSD// W8Px64 (Work;Games) Nexus 4 //Android |
|
Viper550 |
Posted: Jan 15 2014, 12:20 AM
|
|||
SLF Junior ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 29 Member No.: 129 Joined: 6-May 11 ![]() |
Actually I think it was more about cloud computing stuff, not EL |
|||
Screwballl |
Posted: Apr 26 2014, 10:09 PM
|
|
SLF Junior ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 28 Member No.: 3067 Joined: 14-April 14 ![]() |
This is also how things came to so many problems with *nix in the late 80s... big companies buying up and trying to commercialize (and use proprietary code) anything using unix code, to the point some would license it and sell it, suing anyone who used similar code.
Linux is about the community working independently, not answering to some big company who is buckling to pressure from big brother groups to compromise our security and privacy (which seems to be what is happening with most of the major distros like RH, Ubuntu, etc). |
|
![]() |
![]() ![]() ![]() |