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tux99
 Posted: Jun 12 2014, 03:08 PM
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Hmmm, I just noticed that with EL7 Redhat doesn't seem to publish the SRPMs any more... huh.gif

There is only a notice referring to a Centos git archive:
ftp://ftp.redhat.org/redhat/linux/enterprise/7Server/en/os/README
https://git.centos.org/project/rpms

Now that's a big step away from the open source philosophy, shame on you Redhat... dry.gif


Between Gnome 3 and systemd and now this I'm less and less inclined to use RHEL7 (or any of it's future clones). As things stand I don't think there will be a Linuxtech repo for EL7 (but I do intend to still update the EL6 repo for quite a while as I will continue to use EL6 myself).

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QUOTE (tux99 @ Jun 12 2014, 10:08 PM)
Hmmm, I just noticed that with EL7 Redhat doesn't seem to publish the SRPMs any more...  huh.gif

There is only a notice referring to a Centos git archive:
ftp://ftp.redhat.org/redhat/linux/enterprise/7Server/en/os/README
https://git.centos.org/project/rpms

Now that's a big step away from the open source philosophy, shame on you Redhat...  dry.gif

Seems like a move to force SL and other clones to all come under CentOS SIG umbrella.

http://linux.web.cern.ch/linux/nextversion.shtml
REMEMBER to click the UPDATES links below for more read.

SUMMARY: This is NOT a surprise to SL devs at all. The future of SL is in question.
- Cern is leaning towards adopting CentOS (in the last link), NOT making SL anymore.
- That will leave Fermilab alone who seems keen to make SL a CentOS clone.

I hope SL devs or someone in the know will shed some light...
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sam
 Posted: Jun 13 2014, 03:42 AM
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Reading more on the topic, I found that this may be even better to join CentOS SIG than building directly from RH's source.

I'm no expert but based on my understanding, CentOS people will do the building work; then other clones, such as SL, will add extra stuffs upon it, on CentOS SIG platform, while all CentOS community can view and contribute to that. That means SL will get help and publicity from all CentOS community.

Now that looks like an extra waiting time since SL will need to wait for CentOS people to do the building work first. But not neccessarily because CentOS now is supported, and paid by RH. CentOS people said that work will took about 2-4 weeks.
http://seven.centos.org/2014/06/congratulations-to-red-hat-for-rhel7/

SL devs only need to focus on their extra and finetuning work. I think the time to release won't differ too much from currently.
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 Posted: Jun 13 2014, 07:25 AM
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Sorry for kinda spamming the topic, but as it happens
http://www.karan.org/blog/2014/06/10/centos-community-buildsystem-bootstraping-by-the-cern-linux-team/

Cern guys has joined CentOS Core development.
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sam
 Posted: Jun 13 2014, 10:34 AM
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Actually the more I read on the topic, the more interesting CentOS SIG has become. They already have a few SIG approved and some proposals
http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup

Especially, this Simplified Linux Server
http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/SLS
which got the guys at ClearOS, SME Server... on board smile.gif

One particular SIG that comes into everyone's mind is Desktop is yet available. Probably CentOS is waiting for SL's decision.

I feel Red Hat is on the right path to a unified Linux force which is unprecedent in the Linux world rolleyes.gif (you know it, "fork" is like Linux' trademark)
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 Posted: Jun 13 2014, 01:42 PM
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There are a few thinks where SL is, IMHO, better than CentOS:

- artwork (great work!)
- the name (who likes "centos"?)
- out-of-the-box update settings
- not relevant for me, but... openafs

But if that can be delivered using a SIG, then why replicate all the good work?

I'm no SL dev, but as a user running a SL server at home, I just hope to see a SL with the stability and security provided upstream of by centos and with the SL modifications which I like so much.
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 Posted: Jun 13 2014, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE (evert @ Jun 13 2014, 08:42 PM)
There are a few thinks where SL is, IMHO, better than CentOS:

- artwork (great work!)
- the name (who likes "centos"?)
- out-of-the-box update settings
- not relevant for me, but... openafs

But if that can be delivered using a SIG, then why replicate all the good work?

I'm no SL dev, but as a user running a SL server at home, I just hope to see a SL with the stability and security provided upstream of by centos and with the SL modifications which I like so much.


I haven't read the legal text, but based on CentOS website, on the face of it, there is no restriction in those stuffs that you mentioned, such as branding, artworks, extra packages, settings etc.

There are, however, 3 points that CentOS demands:
1. All works (source, packages) will need to be hosted on git.centos.org
2. The SIG board must have a CentOS dev in it, though he/she doesn't have to be the leader.
3. Follow CentOS's direction and control.

I think points 2 & 3 are what concern SL devs, plus it seems there is difference among Fermi and CERN guys. While CERN wants to abandon SL, Fermi wants SL to live on as CentOS variant.

Furthermore, Fermi guys hint that there will be a revamp of SL website. Who knows once completed, CERN is still mentioned as part of SL, just guessing...
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 Posted: Jun 13 2014, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE (sam @ Jun 13 2014, 11:34 AM)

One particular SIG that comes into everyone's mind is Desktop is yet available. Probably CentOS is waiting for SL's decision.


The problem with Desktop is that a lot of multimedia packages are in a legal grey area (especially for anyone based in the USA like Redhat) so you will never get a complete multimedia desktop with all the interesting codecs from a Centos SIG (Redhat said that for Centos SIGs the same rules with regards to acceptable packages apply as for Fedora).

Even RPM Fusion which is the semi-official Fedora/Redhat repo for packages that Redhat doesn't want to be involved with legally does not include everything, there are some packages even they don't accept because of legal concerns.

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 Posted: Jun 14 2014, 03:26 AM
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Yep you're right. But people looking for a complete multimedia experience would prefer distro such as Mint. And a desktop/workstation version of RHEL is still very desirable for its own virtues: stability, low maintenance and predictability, especially for corporate environment.
Besides, maybe I'm lucky, but I have yet encountered a media file that SL can't play. And that has become less an issue now that most people will just go online for their entertainment.

I still remember the days my family members were still using windows, and shortly ubuntu. So many problems to take care of. Now, I just enjoy my peaceful day http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2835777/egyptian.gif
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 Posted: Jun 14 2014, 07:23 AM
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CentOS is moving fast:

http://seven.centos.org/2014/06/centos-7-public-qa-release/

Indeed the lack of codecs / multimedia packages is a shame, but probably centos / SL is mostly used on servers (not sure about SL though). For desktop use, one often already has to activate extra repositories. Now, you can very easily add a repo like EHEL, but I don't know for sure if it would be legally allowed to enable third-party repo's by providing packages for such repo's.
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 Posted: Jun 14 2014, 11:03 AM
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QUOTE (sam @ Jun 14 2014, 04:26 AM)
Yep you're right. But people looking for a complete multimedia experience would prefer distro such as Mint. And a desktop/workstation version of RHEL is still very desirable for its own virtues: stability, low maintenance and predictability, especially for corporate environment.

There are people who would like the a complete multimedia experience and stability, low maintenance and predictability (I'm one of them wink.gif ) and you can have it with RHEL/SL/Centos by using one of the third party repos for the multimedia packages.


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Besides, maybe I'm lucky, but I have yet encountered a media file that SL can't play.

With plain SL? (no third party repos?)
Plain SL doesn't even play a MP3 music file or an any of the common video formats...

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 Posted: Jun 14 2014, 01:24 PM
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I do enable 3rd party repos and installed extra packages. Sorry for the confusion. SL makes it very easy to do so.

I think the most beautiful approach to this matter is Ubuntu's 'restricted' meta-package which will pull all multimedia, codec, flash, java etc. along with it. I hope, with doubt mellow.gif , that SL could implement it one day.
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 Posted: Jun 15 2014, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE (tux99 @ Jun 12 2014, 09:08 AM)
Hmmm, I just noticed that with EL7 Redhat doesn't seem to publish the SRPMs any more...  huh.gif

There is only a notice referring to a Centos git archive:
ftp://ftp.redhat.org/redhat/linux/enterprise/7Server/en/os/README
https://git.centos.org/project/rpms

Now that's a big step away from the open source philosophy, shame on you Redhat...  dry.gif


Between Gnome 3 and systemd and now this I'm less and less inclined to use RHEL7 (or any of it's future clones). As things stand I don't think there will be a Linuxtech repo for EL7 (but I do intend to still update the EL6 repo for quite a while as I will continue to use EL6 myself).


I agree with you, under no circumstances will I go to GNOME 3/EL7. A big thing for me is that there is no 32bit version. Unless they come up with a MATE desktop, SL6 will stay with me to the end. I think that RH is making a big mistake with GNOME 3.

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QUOTE (sctvguy1 @ Jun 15 2014, 12:42 PM)
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I agree with you, under no circumstances will I go to GNOME 3/EL7. 
A big thing for me is that there is no 32bit version. 
Unless they come up with a MATE desktop, SL6 will stay with me to the end. 
I think that RH is making a big mistake with GNOME 3.

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The CentOS people have worked on a 32 bit version : http://seven.centos.org/2014/01/i686-effort-is-kicking-off/
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MATE " ... the continuation of GNOME 2."

The CentOS team is probably packaging MATE : http://seven.centos.org/2014/03/mate-on-the-desktop/
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As well as ExtraPackagesForEnterpriseLinux : http://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/epel/beta/7/x86_64/repoview/mate-desktop.html
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On , a future of SL topic --
I sincerely hope that the decision has not been already made for SL to 'piggy - back' from CentOS.
They seem unfriendly : " ?Installing CentOS repo Erased SL.repo ?" http://scientificlinuxforum.org/index.php?showtopic=2731
. . .
we wait , and we see.


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It's quite positive that CentOS will get Mate, and other desktops as well.
http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/AlternativeDesktop
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Hallo

read: http://linux.web.cern.ch/linux/nextversion.shtml

Will there ever be a SL7 ? Is there all ready a decision made?

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I have merged (parts of) two topic since both deal about the future and SL7.

I am not going to guess what the devs of SL will do unless they post their choice here wink.gif
But I remain firm in my personal belief that an independant SL has the future.

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sam
 Posted: Jul 4 2014, 07:48 AM
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http://scientificlinuxforum.org/index.php?showtopic=2837

The decision has been made:
- CERN left SL. Fermilab is now the only force behind SL.
- And SL continues to be a RHEL clone.
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Hi, people! smile.gif
I am a SciTux 64-bit XFCE user (I call, in my mind, Scientific Linux using the word "SciTux" because "Sci" is for "scientific" and "Tux" is the Linux "mascotte" [a famous Penguin] name) and I like a lot this distro.
Due recent CERN choice (the CERN would leave SciTux development, adopting CentOS as substitute) I would ask you: what's the best choice for a poor SciTux User (me), adopting the FermiLab version or change all and go to new CentOS versions? huh.gif
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I personally find it hard to use any of them as a desktop solution. GNOME 3, even in Classic Mode, is just weird. And KDE implementation is half-baked sad.gif
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